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Destructuring of metaphysics

This section should be either re-worked or scrapped because, as currently written, almost all of it is NOT directly relevant to B&T.

"In Being and Time Heidegger briefly refutes the philosophy of René Descartes (in an exercise he called "destructuring)..." It then makes a brief comment on supposed intentions for unwritten "second volume."

The remainder of the section speaks in generalities about Heidegger's career "in later works...." (NOT B&T) and then takes a stab at defining "Destruction" without adequately linking the term to B&T or its basic concepts.

Moreover, the sourcing is limited and hard to assess.

Yes, the Descartes thing is important to the book's central themes, but this isn't stated. And maybe yes Heidegger's methodologies are of interest but not very clear.

Not sure if I'm that interested.

Perhaps the concept of destructuring (as method) can be folded into "Phenomenology/hermeneutics/etc," and the Descartes thing left to explicaiton of subject/object (not), under "Being-In the World" talk. 2601:405:4A80:9E50:1DAF:583F:3272:E892 (talk) 22:53, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

2601:405:4A80:9E50:1DAF:583F:3272:E892 (talk) 22:53, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Methodologies

Under the new heading, "Methodologies," an additional section on hermeneutics is probably appropriate. Potentially material can be simply imported from other Wikipedia articles, but from what I've seen, they're a bit weak.

The existing copy under "Methodologies" on destructuring and phenomenology is also weak, but justifiable, I suppose. Optimally, and obviously, the material should be directly tied to B&T.

Hermeneutics

I added a brief segment on Hermeneutics. Available Wikipedia material elsewhere doesn't seem sufficiently related to B&T and/ore sourced. The stuff I added (one source) is weak and can be certainly be expanded, improved, etc.

If the article is to present a list of H's methodologies, certainly hermeneutics should be included. If nothing else the material I added can be a placeholder -- pending improvements.

2601:405:4A80:9E50:618A:75BB:D83B:2346 (talk) 14:52, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

phenomenology

I've imported (and heavily edited) a few sentences from other wikipedia articles, along with their sources or lack thereof.

The result is very muddy but the "new material" is slightly more relevant than previously existing (which I mostly left alone).

2601:405:4A80:9E50:EC84:6DC3:55DA:BE2 (talk) 00:47, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Material from "background"

I moved material on "phenomenology" and "hermeneutics" to the heading "Methodologies." 2601:405:4A80:9E50:D8FA:C73C:4B0:9225 (talk) 12:40, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Reception

I removed material on "letting be" and technology. With relation to Heidegger, these topics are invariably discussed in relation to his works that are other than (not) B&T.

Also added Adorno stuff. The segment is still a rat's nest -- but I reorganized slightly. I'd actually like to entirely remove a few more bits that seem (to me) especially obscure or obvious.

Probably adding something about Rorty would be appropriate. This is however, beyond me. 2601:405:4A80:9E50:14E0:CF7D:985E:593D (talk) 03:57, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've cut some stuff -- hope no oxen gored. Still a weak section. Nothing explicitly about post-modernism -- that's his main influence! Nothing on Rorty.

2601:405:4A80:9E50:D532:441A:FF1E:99F8 (talk) 14:10, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A part of the section's problem is that it has tended to confuse "Heidegger" with B&T and/or to make them fully interchangeable.

(This article is about B&T).

If one writes of Heidegger's "influence and reception" concerning subsequent thought on "technology," the point of reference is probably not B&T. On architecture, environment and other topics, the point of reference is similarly likely to be his later work, not B&T. 2601:405:4A80:9E50:75E1:6408:CF1C:9576 (talk) 15:26, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sympathetic summary of recent edits

I've reorganized some material and removed bits here and there. Although sourced, I felt that these removed bits headed deeply into the weeds without adequately tying (now omitted) details to the "Big Picture."

My overall goal is largely to improve the article's readability rather than impose a particular point of view. 2601:405:4A80:9E50:E0A4:33EF:CBDB:143B (talk) 18:32, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Destructuring

Remains a particularly weak section. It gives little sense of the subject, particularly as it relates to B&T. 2601:405:4A80:9E50:CDF0:5269:54BD:D6A7 (talk) 14:54, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]